July 11, 2014 at 2:39 pm #2362
Why? Does the rigger not deserve not any appreciations? Is it just my problem or do you have noticed the same attitude???
July 17, 2014 at 5:04 pm #2509
- This topic was modified 3 years, 6 months ago by Thedidismind.
Most Japanese professional rope masters who I have met said this ;
‘100% credit should go to the model in the show, not to me’
Almost everyone has said the same.
I think post is spot-on. That’s the traditional Japanese concept for the Kinbaku show(or photo shoots, whatever).
To me it seems that a lot of Japanese riggers purely want to be a humble craftsman in the show whereas many Western ones want to be an artist in their own right.
(no one should say meaningless things like, which way is better/true, etc. Nothing is better. Both are good)
Even if people don’t come to the riggers and don’t compliment them in their face, I am sure people appreciate the rope work somehow. Appreciations don’t always have to be visible and direct.
Maybe there is a big (cultural) difference between the Japanese way of thinking and the Western way of it? I don’t know… But I personally think that in general Western people want appreciation and compliment a lot more than we do.
(e.g. The reaction after you compliment someone is quite distinctive. As far as I have seen, in the West, most people would reply ‘thank you’. But in Japan, people often would say ‘oh no, it is not like that, you don’t have to compliment, but thanks anyway…’ etc, etc)July 17, 2014 at 5:08 pm #2510
There are big cultural differences between Japan and the West and manyy westerners don’t see it or frankly don’t really care. Humility is not a big or important thing to most in the west.
Personally I look at it this way. It is the model that makes my rope look good. What I do isn’t all that special or notable.
In my trips to Japan it is obvious that interactions are very different that what we grew up with in the west. If one goes to Japan or does Kinbaku thinking it’s all about them, in my opinion they miss the true essence of the art.
Thank you for sharing this…July 17, 2014 at 5:12 pm #2511
I liken a great rope top/artist to a great painter: The paints, i.e., ropes, get layered onto the canvas, i.e., rope bottom, and the evolving/finished product is the painting itself, which is to be admired, appreciated, &c. As for the painter, the glory is in the work itself, not the one who ‘worked’ it, albeit that shouldn’t stop people from giving feedback and/or kudos even.
For me personally, the best shows have been where the rope bottom has gone on a specific journey, from A to Z, and come out of it in a different space/place. That usually happens when the connection with the rigger is is solid, deep and true. And therein lies the magic.July 17, 2014 at 5:21 pm #2512
I don’t know how it is with other cultures but I’ve noticed that there are exceptional rope tops who have massive egos and one’s that don’t. Most of it seems to deal with the person in general. Rope is simple, it’s people that are complicated. The percentage in bondage is about the same that it is anywhere else. In everything that we do there are people with inflated egos made of glass and people who are simply awesome without being an asshole about it. The most ego I’ve ever seen was in the vanilla world of sport cracking.
I can understand how easy it is to develop an unhealthy ego. If you have ‘the bug’ then you practice more and you improve faster than many of your peers who don’t have ‘the bug’. Pretty soon after that you have your selection of willing uke and you keep hearing how amazing you are. If you hear something often enough you’re probably going to start believing it. It’s one of the reasons that I prefer constructive feedback by a small handful of people that I know have no fear in letting me know where I can improve. I’m not going to lie, positive feedback following a performance or a scene feels good. I get a warm tingle down my spine but I don’t let it go to my head.
In conclusion, feel free to compliment people, it makes them feel good. If you’re the one getting complimented don’t let it go to your head. Bear in mind that you can always do better and there’s probably someone better than yourself out there.July 17, 2014 at 5:32 pm #2513
To me it sounds like a lot of riggers have never created any other kind of art. I am a photographer, a writer, and even a bad painter. The person in the rope is part of your art. When they compliment her or him they are complimenting your work, your art, your skill. The rope bottom is just as much part of the art as your rope. It is no different then a person whispering at the painting on the wall. Those that come to you to stroke your ego are not interested in your art but in what they can get from you. There is not greater joy then to observe someone discussing the complexity of a shot and the skills in my photographs. It is also nice when they notice the subjects in them as I thought they where worth placing with my art.
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