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  • #3047
    Pegglind
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    I am very new to rope bondage…i have spend some time reading , looking at pictures..videos..and mostly female models are used .

    I have seen and practised myself a bit with a male model, rope bondage…are there things i have to consider when working with male models?
    ..ie…take care of genitals….the most obvious…

    I feel a bit silly putting it out there but…i have no one close by to actually show me…

    Any feedback would be great…thanks

    #3048
    Aboughtters
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    Well, with few exceptions, you don’t have the same physiology to work around when doing a chest harness. Men are going to.need more length in the shoulder, but won’t have breasts to guide rope around. (There are exceptions, as I said).

    You also have to factor in height. Since I am a bit vertically challenged, the men I have practiced with needed to kneel while being tied (not that they minded). 😉

    #3049
    Thoillody
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    Tons of differences. Some just weight, body fat composition, some due to gender.
    Men tend to be less flexible. Once you tie them up, they tend to stay tied. Women smaller hands, flexy, can often slip out of ties.

    Crotch ropes are fun on women as are breast cupcake ties. they just don’t work on guys.

    Can’t do a hair tie on most guys; I substitute a gag and pull back.

    women have a floating rib. if you do any suspension or heavy pulling, you have to watch out for damaging that floating rib and make sure you get those bands high up and right under the boobs (think “mammogram”) – guys not such an issue.

    The boobs provide landmarks and anchors for chest harnesses and takate kotes (aka japanese box tie). if you have dual bands and pull them together, boobs keep the bands apart. With guys, you may have to add a spacer. e.g. add a spiral twist as a column between the two chest bands to keep them apart.

    Box ties depend on getting the elbows in close to and parallel to the body. A lot of guys (and some women) can’t do that. Their arms will resemble a triangle, and the tie falls apart. So don’t fight it, Keep the arms straighter, and do a handcuff type arrangement

    Other ties like armbinders/strappados and futomomos depend on a certain amount of flexibility and tying it tight, using friction of the skin to help hold it in place. If you aren’t flexy, they are tougher to tie.
    Hint for a futo: bend the leg as closed as possible. Then have them point their toe down. When they sink forward, their weight and toe will help jam the lower leg closer to the upper leg and keep it snug while you tie.
    Hint for an armbinder. help them stretch some by wrapping your arms around and pull their shoulders back and in. Then extend their arms behind and do it again. Anchor the armbinder around the upper body, then work your way down to the wrists.

    Women have curvier and meatier hips. Wiry folks may have lots of pain when a hip harness goes over bony areas. Adjust as needed.

    I think thats mostly it, except for suspensions. There its mostly weight, so you may need to add an extra wrap to give guys more comfort

    #3050
    Youds1949
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    This is a personal pet topic for me. I am fed up hearing that there’s no difference apart from the shape of the body or where the fatty bits are.

    It’s much more than just that!

    WARNING: I am not a fan of gender stereotypes. I am equally averse to trying to make everything I type totally politically correct and inclusive beyond the point of reasonable effort! The remainder of this post will be generalisations that I have found through tying masculine bodies of all genders as compared to the feminine ones. I use the term “men” to mean anyone self identifying as masculine or a man

    The men I have tied have a different mindset in what they want to get out of their rope bondage experience. Whilst many women fell this way also, most men I have encountered need to feel strongly bound, captured, unable to escape with the fact that they are strong is emphasised and deliberately countered. They are less about decorative ties that flatter their physique and more about the functionality of the tie being solid and inescapable. Unless the man is particularly submissive and likes being told to stand still I have found that most want to be physically directed or “made” to assume certain positions. The men I’ve tied have been less extrovert and less exhibitionist and so the majority of them I have ended up tying with in small settings rather than big clubs. I rarely photograph the men I tie at their request.

    It is always worth remembering that it is often much less socially acceptable for a man to appear publicly in bondage compared to a woman. Even within the kink scene there’s a misconception that all men who are sub like to be humiliated or made to look weak. Quite a few I know love the fact that their bondage makes them appear stronger and more masculine. Quite often masculine rope bottoms are not submissive (also true of a lot of feminine ones too). BUT if you find yourself with a masculine submissive who craves objectification and humiliation you’re going to have to take that into account.

    Chest ties. Giving a masculine type “moobs” is not going to win you any prizes. Decorative chest ties look great on feminine bodies. Sticking with clean lines emphasises the masculine one. Muscular men are going to have issues with flexibility as the trade off for bigger muscle bulk is less range of motion. Getting to know chest ties with arms in front of the body will be essential for working with larger framed men.

    Hips. Lovely wide hips on feminine body make hip harnesses dead easy. Much more care is needed on a masculine body as the hip to waist ratio can be wildly different and the “loose” hip rope that works for a woman could just slip and fail on a man. Women get a bit more padding on the hips from mother nature too, so some guys just won’t be able to tolerate a hip harness at all.

    Weight is a factor. That is not the same as saying men are too heavy to be tied.It just means that you’ll have to consider if given your man’s body shape and weight is it safe for you to do partial or full suspension? Can you manage their weight in an accidental fall or slip? How are you going to make it safer? I happily tie with someone almost 1.5 times my bodyweight and have suspended him, but I have to approach it with a different view of the physics than I do for my 0.6 times my bodyweight female bunny.

    #3051
    Thich1979
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    I can’t comment much on the mental aspects of gender thinking differences.

    As for presentation, this is less of concern. If I want a person’s chest squeezed enough to make blood flow make their nipples sensitive, I am going to tie with that goal.

    It is always worth remembering that it is often much less socially acceptable for a man to appear publicly in bondage compared to a woman.
    I will agree with elements of the above. Some scenes are very male top/female bottom oriented and people get all flustered and confused. You can have event organizers and other folks act with less respect and consideration. It sucks and drives male bottoms that I respect to play in private even at kink events.

    As for “weight” as a factor. It is a factor for both genders (or any person). Ditto for height disadvantage, person volume and strength factors. Lifting someone who is thin, shorter and some low weight is relatively easy. When you have to move away from them, use pulleys and cause things like carabiners or rings to angle, the forces change significantly along with the risks.

    There are also muscle, flexibility, fat tissue and nerve exposure issues. I have played with some extremely flexible “male” bodies. Again, it doesn’t matter on gender.

    In other words, it isn’t a gender given the huge range of bodies. It is a knowledge and skill aspect that is poorly understood in the rope world.

    #3052
    Therty
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    I agree, wholeheartedly. We refer to Riggers as riggers or rope tops, we still use the term rope bottom adding “and models”. There are still males here that have no issue with the word bottom because in their minds, they are ON the bottom while the rigger is on Top.

    Without jacking your thread – I hear you, I understand the lack of males as models/rope bottoms; I’m hoping that with time and increased visibility, the interest to be tied will increase. Our own rope scene up here is quite small and a bit behind everyone else in the US but, there are enough smaller camps working with and indepedently of each other; that we are working towards a change.

    I can only encourage you to meet with local riggers and present the idea of creating a rope group with the intent of working with males as bottoms for scenes & practice. See how many would be interested and build your foundation from there.

    As for the issue if flexibility, at 38, I feel the need to take yoga and work on increasing my bend – at my age and going forward; I’m not nearly as flexible physically as I was in my 20’s. Given what I seek to achieve, it’s a requirement.

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