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BationeParticipant
Let’s talk about science, according to the Center for Disease Control
“How long does the Hepatitis C virus survive outside the body?
The Hepatitis C virus can survive outside the body at room temperature, on environmental surfaces, for at least 16 hours but no longer than 4 days.
HIV does not survive long outside the human body (such as on surfaces), and it cannot reproduce. It is not spread by
Air or water.
Insects, including mosquitoes or ticks.
Saliva, tears, or sweat. There is no documented case of HIV being transmitted by spitting.
Casual contact like shaking hands or sharing dishes.
Closed-mouth or “social” kissing
Toilet seats.”I couldn’t find the source doc, but as I remember in order for HIV to remain viable outside of the human body the infected blood must remain moist and its life span was still only hours. So if you are using floggers on multiple partners, the wipe them down and let them dry for a couple of days will ensure that the two nastiest bugs are dead. I seriously doubt that folks using the same floggers on different people during the same session will take time out to clean their instruments, for them I recommend fluid bonding. I for one rarely draw blood with my floggers (I have other toys that are much more fun for that). Remember most of the myths about HIV and how it spreads are from the bad old days when it was the boogie man and we had no knowledge in regards to methods of transmission. When all else fails fall back on science.
Just my 2 cents.
BationeParticipantI am brand new to the whole scene and have been looking over these posts and haven’t really found an answer to this question:
Does anyone get pleasure from flogging WITHOUT being tied to a St. Andrew’s cross or a bed or something? It seems to me that you do not have to be submissive to enjoy being flogged. Am I misperceiving this?
FortannigeParticipantYou can be flogged standing in the middle of the room, laying on a table, or hanging from your ankles as you swing (moving target). But none of that has to be submissive.
Your question implies that the act of being tied to something is being submissive. But this is not true, being tied is being tied there is no way to understand the intent behind it without asking the person. There are many labels int he BDSM world. Sometimes to our detriment.
In the simplest terms the action in most play scenes can be described as having a top performing an action on a bottom. If there is no mental dynamic in the scene this is where it ends. However if there is a dominate/submissive component that can add to the scene, but the matchup is not necessarily top=dom & bottom=sub. T dominate in the relationship may like to get flogged and so they take the bottom position and have their submissive flog them. The dominate can even be tied to a cross, the act does not decide the mental state, it’s the mental state that decides the act.
I have a friend on Fet who lists “Having the, ‘I’m a bottom and not a submissive conversation.'” as one of her dislikes on her profile. She loves to be restrained, flogged, pinched, etc. but there is no D/s dynamic in the scene when I play with her. Conversely, my wife is submissive and the D/s relationship we have is mostly in play all of the time even though we are not sceneing.
The bottom line really is to find what you like and do that and have fun. There is a growing trend on Fet to use the description Kinkster. I think this is a great way to say, “None of these labels fit me, but I enjoy this stuff.”
So, I guess the short answer is, No, you do not have to be submissive to enjoy being flogged.
IntentookeyParticipantWell, I prefer being tied because it helps me relax, but I know plenty of people who don’t, especially at play parties. Why don’t you just try it out and see what works for you? 🙂
And of course plenty of people who enjoy impact play or bondage are not submissive at all. If anyone tells you the opposite or expects you to submit just because you’d like to bottom in a scene, chances are they’re a manipulative asshole (or very uninformed & prejudiced).Huchicark80ParticipantI have never been bound while receiving flogging and only one of my four bottoms is regularly bound and he’s bound for most activities, not just flogging. Personally, I have trouble being comfortably bound while maintaining a good position to be flogged in, because of physical limitations on my part and being bound isn’t really my thing. Impact play is something very therapeutic for me, especially because I have chronic pain. I can be submissive to someone topping me but it’s rare, there is often no D/s in me receiving flogging.
PegglindParticipantI’m dominant, but I’m also a pretty heavy masochist… so no, you needn’t be submissive to enjoy a good flogging.
Furthermore, I would find it absolutely impossible to ind any pleasure whatsoever in being flogged while bound. First, I hate bondage (on the receiving end) and second, I enjoy particularly heavy, nasty floggings and would be at serious risk of broken bones/dislocated shoulders if I were bound to something.
On the other hand, one of my parters pretty much requires being bound to enjoy anything, but he still likes certain floggings unbound (as I won’t tie him for safetly reasons).
AboughttersParticipantyou do not have to be ‘bound’ to receive a flogging. Quite often at parties, I’ll have the lady stand on the cross, lean on a post, bend over a couch, lay on a couch, Kneel on the floor , kneel on a chair, lean on a friend.
It’s all what gets you where you want to go.
I’ve been asked to “be gentle” and I’ve been told “Hit me you son of a bitch” … OK Here ya go!
I’ve gone and wailed on a back and arse, and I’ve done rhythmic impact starting very easy and soft and worked up to a medium hit, and left it at that. Some want marks some times, I’ve never left a mark.Some barely got even much pink, others, yea they have felt it every time they sat down all week long. It all depends on what you want, where your needs, what can get you into the head space your seeking.
As I’m sure it’s stated here, stay away from the area where the kidneys are. back and shoulders, arse and thighs, breasts and chest, legs and crotch, this is where the Floggers Play!ThoillodyParticipantI’m very fond of ropes, so i’ve always preferred being tied up when being flogged, whipped or slapped. But soon after we met, my current lover introduced me to what I call “mutual flogging”. It started one day when I was taking a shower, and she pulled the shower curtain aside and to my surprise, snapped my ass with a wet towel. She then threw the towel at me, and said “Your turn!”. She quickly grabbed another towel, and began snapping it at my butt, and it turned into a towel fight. We both enjoyed it. Now, we have evolved into each of us having a flogger, and having flogger fights. I would never have had all this fun had she not got me started on it. So yes, you can have lots of fun without being tied up.
ThoillodyParticipantHas anyone experimented with using silk fabric for suspension? I told my contractor that the two eye bolts he was installing in my ceiling were for aerial yoga. In an effort to have a credible discussion with him about the static and dynamic movement that would be placed on the hardware, I did some research and along the way decided that I really did want to do aerial yoga on the hardpoints. I take my first class in two weeks.
During that research I stumbled across this very short video of Lois Lane suspended in silk fabric. I could see that using silk fabric might ease the pain some people experience with rope – but still facilitate the experience of suspension.
It’s expensive at ~ $9/yard. I think the approach would be more based on wraps than knots due to the bulk of the fabric. The youtube channel with the Lois Lane video also has rigging videos. In each case they demo with rope first, then with silks, as the rope is a better demo medium.
I will be buying fabric and I do plan to experiment a bit, but I was wondering if anyone else has tried this? Did you find it to be less painful for the bottom?
If this is not the appropriate group for posting this question, can anyone point me to another group where it would be more appropriate?
Youds1949ParticipantWhat’s called aerial silk is not made of nylon, not silk. There are different kinds of aerial silks available, depending on how stretchy you want it to be, whether it should be fire-proof, etc.
Aerial yoga is indeed popular, using the same fabric aerialist artists use.I’ve used similar fabric for comfortable inverted suspensions, and it’s quite nice, especially when used instead of a hip/waist rope – a rope can still be added on top for visual effect, but the model’s weight was supported by the fabric.
The only occurrence of suspending someone with real silk ribbons I saw was several years ago in London, performed by the Leather Family at one of the LAMs; it was quite safe as silk is very strong, but it was painful for the model, as the ribbons were cutting into the skin – it was a short suspension, so it was bearable, but just.
Thich1979ParticipantI do Aerial Yoga! I do self suspension with rope too. i find that the aerial ‘silks’ can bunch up and be just as painful as a twisted rope in suspension, but if you are careful to keep the material smooth, it can allow for a tender bunny to experience suspension without rope bite. Just make sure that the material folds away from the skin, so that the parts touching the skin are not bunched up.
ThertyParticipantYep, I’m an aerialist who also does self-suspension/rigging. Love mixing fabric and rope for a zen affect. Nice to cradled the head in a fabric cocoon or drap the material over the suspended person. I also like having a hammock of aerial silk to facilitate staying airborn for dupe rational periods and the diversity of textures etc. I recommend at least 7 yards of fabric. I got 5 yards and found it slightly on the short side. Have fun!
HarawasParticipantI took my first aerial yoga class yesterday and really enjoyed it. I did find some of the movements painful until I adjusted the fabric – so comments above about the fabric bunching in a “bad way” need to be addressed if you are attempting a comfortable suspension.
I’m in the process of shopping for fabric now. My instructor recommended Aircat. I’m waiting to hear back about length needed based on ceiling height. I used to rock climb so I have the hardware and rigging technique covered.
The most difficult decision is color! LOL.
PannourParticipantMy husband and I have been doing some aerial silk acrobatics classes. My teacher has a bull rope there, and helped me compare the same suspension techniques on rope and silks. The silks are far less painful and more forgiving. Crotch suspensions are not weird on the silks.
A possibly more interesting bit is the culture. Kids in middle school are encouraged to do self suspensions 15 feet up on the silks with dynamic 8-10 foot drops, with 1 demo and minimal supervision before trying hard stuff. Being inverted for prolonged periods is just something folks get used to on day 1. Pain is a given that all the vanilla class goers just get used to. Dynamics (big rolls, twists, and drops in the air) are totally the norm – fear just doesn’t seem to be on the menu. The level of core, arm, and leg strength that is expected, for you to be able to play is, frankly, awesome. Coming into rope with that background could be pretty amazing.
PannourParticipantI need to create one rope harness to keep a dildo inside my partner while we play, and another to act like a regular harness, to hold a dildo on me while I fuck him, preferably one with an open crotch so he can switch between sucking my dildo and pleasing me.
I want to apologize in advance, I have a question that I know I could find the answer to online, the problem is both sifting through the massive amount of search results, and also then figuring out which solution is the best. Also, I am going to cross-post this question to this group and two others, so I apologize if you get it more than once. I was hoping that maybe someone here would have experience with this subject matter, and would be able to point me toward the most practical solution, offer tips, or just give me some guidance that’s a little more helpful than a Google search. I do have a moderate level ( a step up from an educated beginner level) of experience with using rope on another person, but I usually prefer being the one tied up.
So, the two things I need help with. I need two rope harnesses, for two separate purposes. I need one rope harness that I can put on my male partner that will help keep a rather large dildo (that does have attaching balls) in his ass while we fuck, play, or otherwise do things that will require movement. We’ve already tried plugs, and they ones we have are too small, they pop out, and we can’t afford to get the giant butt plug that would be required to keep it in his ass. The problem is, other than figuring out the best way to do this – he IS NOT A ROPE BOTTOM. So, he’s going to get impatient fast. I can help keep him focused by pulling the dildo in and out while I work, or other things, but if this is tricky I might need to focus, so I’m not worried about pretty, I’m just worried about keeping his ass stuffed and his penis free of restriction (well, restriction from rope anyway) and doing it as quickly as possible, so that we can then move on to things he enjoys more, but while the dildo is securely in his ass and not going to move.
The second thing is I would like to make a harness to strap a dildo on myself, so I can fuck him with his dildo. We shopped around for regular strap-on harnesses, but the dildo’s he uses are pretty big, which limits the market, and there are other reasons we decided not to purchase one yet.
I was hoping I could create this with rope, at home, before we play, so he’s not bored sitting around waiting for me to finish. Although I understand that this might get tricky, and we might have to make some adjustments, or do final steps together where I’ll have another set of hands. If nothing else, once I create it at home, then take it off, I know how rope works, and I’ll probably need his help putting it back together on me. Also, if it’s possible without adding too much extra work, I’d like to create a “crotchless” harness to do this, but given the magnitude of what I’m trying to do, I’m willing to accept that I might have to take the harness of when it’s time for my fun. Of course, if my being fingered while he sucks my cock sounds as sexy to you as it does to me, maybe you have some ideas that aren’t too complicated that I could work with 😉
The one skill that does help me here – I’ve learned how to make standard full body rope harnesses and rope dresses on myself without someone else helping. I actually taught others how to do this in a “Kink for One” class, teaching people about kinky things they could do without a partner. So, I’m able to do things behind my back with rope that other people might have trouble with.
Thank you for reading this, and thank you in advance for any help you might provide. I apologize, again, if you had to read this more than once. I appreciate any and all help you can provide, anything from a link that you’re familiar with, to a tip that might help, anything really. I’m going for quick and dirty, not super pretty. In this case the rope is a means to an end. I promise, though, I’m tying him up in other ways that are VERY pretty, just not necessarily for this particular exercise.
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