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PurshoParticipant
I liken a great rope top/artist to a great painter: The paints, i.e., ropes, get layered onto the canvas, i.e., rope bottom, and the evolving/finished product is the painting itself, which is to be admired, appreciated, &c. As for the painter, the glory is in the work itself, not the one who ‘worked’ it, albeit that shouldn’t stop people from giving feedback and/or kudos even.
For me personally, the best shows have been where the rope bottom has gone on a specific journey, from A to Z, and come out of it in a different space/place. That usually happens when the connection with the rigger is is solid, deep and true. And therein lies the magic.JohnnyParticipantI don’t know how it is with other cultures but I’ve noticed that there are exceptional rope tops who have massive egos and one’s that don’t. Most of it seems to deal with the person in general. Rope is simple, it’s people that are complicated. The percentage in bondage is about the same that it is anywhere else. In everything that we do there are people with inflated egos made of glass and people who are simply awesome without being an asshole about it. The most ego I’ve ever seen was in the vanilla world of sport cracking.
I can understand how easy it is to develop an unhealthy ego. If you have ‘the bug’ then you practice more and you improve faster than many of your peers who don’t have ‘the bug’. Pretty soon after that you have your selection of willing uke and you keep hearing how amazing you are. If you hear something often enough you’re probably going to start believing it. It’s one of the reasons that I prefer constructive feedback by a small handful of people that I know have no fear in letting me know where I can improve. I’m not going to lie, positive feedback following a performance or a scene feels good. I get a warm tingle down my spine but I don’t let it go to my head.
In conclusion, feel free to compliment people, it makes them feel good. If you’re the one getting complimented don’t let it go to your head. Bear in mind that you can always do better and there’s probably someone better than yourself out there.
RoperrinParticipantTo me it sounds like a lot of riggers have never created any other kind of art. I am a photographer, a writer, and even a bad painter. The person in the rope is part of your art. When they compliment her or him they are complimenting your work, your art, your skill. The rope bottom is just as much part of the art as your rope. It is no different then a person whispering at the painting on the wall. Those that come to you to stroke your ego are not interested in your art but in what they can get from you. There is not greater joy then to observe someone discussing the complexity of a shot and the skills in my photographs. It is also nice when they notice the subjects in them as I thought they where worth placing with my art.
RoperrinParticipantA good book on recreational/non-relationship sex (aka swinging) is “Together sex”.
Poly is having multiple relationship, it does not means that there must be on equal footings, I have learned that everybody is different and each situation is unique so no need to fit yourself in a one-size fits all.
What you describe are two relationships. One can say that it is unfair to place the burden of fulfilling all of your needs on one relationship, for exemple you might want a hiking partner or a sex partner if your relationships do not fulfill these needs. Onnthe other hand if a relationship becomes empty you might consider moving away – loving the person is not a good criteria for deciding to stay with somebody, but it can be a factor. I know I love a good number of people and want them to be happy, but that does not mean I want or can live with them or even have a continuing relationship with them, even if they state that this would make them happy.
In other words, you have to decide what to do. First be happy, then decide what relationships you want to have, then find non-relationship partners for the remaining needs.
Priblefulth1985ParticipantYep that’s the line alright. If you’re going to keep it all about the physical sex you need to do just that. You can’t have long conversations and get all hot and steamy all day long. If you’re spending hours connecting with the new guy and not with your husband it’s no wonder your connection is shifting. It matches your attention. Now there isn’t much wrong with having that emotional connection as long as your husband is ok with it. That is the difference between swinging and polyamory. Have you shared all this with your husband yet? Not doing so crosses the line between Polyamory and cheating. Maybe your husbands reaction will surprise you. Maybe he will step up his game at home or maybe he’ll be really happy for you.
I’ve always found that exclusion is the best way isolate someone. Lol Isolated lovers don’t stay that way for long (stay lovers that is). Best bet is to talk with him tell him how much you need him and this guy while nice is a poor replacement for the man you love. Let him know you understand that he can’t do what you both really want/need because of his injury but you’d like him to be involved some how. What ever way he’s comfortable with. Maybe he will want to know all the details or want to take pictures of it. By integrating him in a way you’re all comfortable with and having open communication you can foster a healthy new reality where you satisfy your needs and express love and respect for your ailing husband.
Hope that helps.
Relly1960ParticipantNot like titles or categories really matter for this conversation but I would say your bouncing on the line between an open relationship and a poly relationship.
To me it sounds like your really in the danger zone with your relationship. If your relationship is the most important thing do yourself a favor and cut the other guy loose asap. no contact. Normally I would never say that. But I also do NOT recommend Poly, Open, swinging etc to fix a current relationship. Your getting emotionally involved partly because you want to. You need to take ownership of that. Partly because there is a void, partly because of other reasons like the newness of it, etc.
In the 12 years I have been swinging I have seen many a poly relationship fail. Love triangles are not easy to handle. In fact never have I seen one succeed. But again finding myself slightly off topic.
I think you should date multiple men for the fun of the quart-ship and sex. It really needs to be enough people that you do not think about any of them in a way that threatens your relationship until you get a hold of those feelings and how better to compartmentalize them.
ThedidismindParticipantI met back up with a vanilla friend/co-worker I hadn’t seen in years at a swinger party and exchanged numbers. It quickly turned from old friends catching up to thousands of texts a day and quickly developed into a relationship of it’s own. My husband and his wife weren’t comfortable with it (understandably) and we tried at least 5 times ver the corse of 3 years to cut eachother out. We just couldn’t give each other up because the connection became too strong. Fast forward a few years and we’re both divorced and living together. I’m not saying your situation is the same but I remember flat out lying to myself and others by saying that it wasn’t that serious.
My advice would be to be honest 1st and foremost with yourself (because that’s who it seems like you’re deceiving right now), and then with your husband. I don’t know how it will work out for you but it’s got to be better and healthier than years of lies and mistrust.PurshoParticipantHello, I am new to the lifestyle, and a happily owned slave. my Master and i have discussed flogging. Are there any tips i can have as how to get through it? As for the pain, i imagine it must be awful.
Tindst79ParticipantFlogging does not have to be painful at all, in fact I’ve heard more than one person say that it can be like a massage. The pain level involved in flogging depends entirely on the person swinging the flogger, if they are smart and experienced and know their implements and control their swing flogging is quite enjoyable. The size and material of the flogger itself is also a factor but any implement can be used with a light hand.
If you have questions about specific materials or types of implements feel free to message me.
Beell1979ParticipantThe one true answer is it depends. On the flogger, on the person using it, on your mindset, if you’re restrained, etc.
I use a big, heavy, thuddy flogger, and alterate it with belts, crops, a sharp mini flogger, etc.
After a nice gradual warm up, I increase the intensity. Veronica says that she starts to float, and about a half our in, she’s taking some very hard strikes with no problems.The keys are a good warmup, and constant communication with your Master
Answashe87Participantflogging is all what you make of it. It can be sensual or it can be painful. My suggestion is to start of slow, and with light strokes to get the feel of the sensations. Like myself I have over 20 of them from super light, to heavy. When working with someone who has never been flogged before, I always use my light one’s. And I swing softly, in slow figure 8’s so they can get the feel of them. Make sure you get warmed about a good long time as well, intensity can be built up over a period of time.
NesseryParticipantBeing flogged is quite possibly my favorite thing in the hole world. seriously.
I have an adorable (actually didn’t cost a fortune), heavy, soft suade flogger; I think about 40 falls/tails, long enough to work; short enough for it to be easily handled by Sir, or Ma’am.
Back, bottom, thighs, when I’m bound down on the bed; or not restrained, starting gently… not just ‘flogging’ with it; being caressed across my skin too… takes about five minutes and I’m already in a very submissive place in my head, then increased in intensity… harder, but thuddy, and, I’m starting to bliss out… and just want more… harder still, getting some sting, and lots of thud, quick succession of ‘strikes, some longer gaps… moving about in different locations on me… I find it so relaxing, because of how my mind can just go so deep into submission (not even talking about subspace yet), and then, if Sir/Ma’am wants, moving on to harder flogging, or changing to paddle, etc, and the subspace can start to loom on the horizon…
We’ve also a lot smaller overly painful one, which is sort of harder leather, and really less good; being smaller you’d think it hurt less…. oh no, that’s got quite a sting… sometimes Sir will use that one me, when he sees I’m blissing out a lot; sometimes he’ll use some sting from that smaller flogger (or a cane), to almost ‘bring me back’, If I’m shooting off into lala land too quickly (afterall I can become quite usefless to serve his needs, if I’m so blissed out I’m the equavelent of on a drug-high)…
Ahh. yes, I rather like floggers; experiment and try… its the only way; I’ve rarely found them truely painful (not at all like caning, having a crop used, or a serious paddling etc)
MentumerParticipantJust remember that being a Slave, Submissive, Bottom, or what have you does not entail being a doormat nor a rug. Do yourself proud and you will do those who you serve proud.
If you are an anime fan, look up “The Fencer of Minerva” miniseries for one good example.
DooloverityParticipantI hope that whatever happened was not done under sad circumstances and will not leave a bad taste in your mouth in regards to this whole lifestyle.
You are young and there is so much ahead of you. Whatever the case continue to educate yourself on everything. The resources these days are vast and detailed. For starters, have a stroll through many of the groups here. Of course there is always the chance of running into drama. That cannot be helped.
And above all, do not get suckered into a M/s relationship that degrades and isolates you from family and friends. That is a situation best avoided.
DooloverityParticipantLike the title says I just discovered how much of a turn on it is when being flogged, this discovery was much by accident, Me and my girl were jokingly hitting each other with random objects when she mistakenly grabbed a charger cable thinking it was boot laces and caught me across the thigh with it. The excitement and rush I felt was like nothing I have experienced before, I would like to know if anyone has seen or knows of a single flog as opposed to the multi tethered one’s that seem to be the norm. If so where and if not what would be suitable material for making one. The metal end on the cable would surely slice me with multiple blows.
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